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Complaint filed at the Canadian Human Rights Commission against a Montreal imam Print E-mail
Written by Marc Lebuis   
Monday, 14 April 2008

Today, I filed a complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) for "hate propaganda" against Montreal salafi imam Hammaad Abu Sulaiman Al-Dameus Hayiti who officiates at the Association Musulmane de Montréal Est mosque. The complaint relates to his book L'Islam ou l'Intégrisme ? À la lumière du Qor'an et de la Sounnah downloadable from the Internet, and his extremist teachings that are also broadcast on the Internet.

The teachings of imam Al-Hayiti are suprematists, misogynistic and hateful. According to the imam, his fellow non-Muslims are "koufars" (unbelievers, infidels, impious), Québec women are perverse, and the population is "stupid and ignorant." The imam also calls for the destruction of the "idols" of the West: democracy, human rights, secularism, freedom and modernity. By disseminating his teachings on the Internet, the imam tries to win adherents to his extreme views.

The CHRC has launched an investigation against Maclean's and writer Mark Steyn for "hate propaganda" in relation to the publication by Maclean's of an article entitled "The Future belongs to Islam" (excerpts from Steyn's bestselling book "America Alone"). The investigation follows a complaint filed by the Canadian Islamic Congress and four Toronto Muslim law students. This initiative is an attempt at censorship and an attack on freedom of the press, for which the CHRC acts as an enabler.

If the CHRC refuse to investigate my complaint, the public will be free to conclude that an institution meant to promote human rights is practicing a form of one-way absurd censorship. As a result, legitimate criticism of Islam is discouraged, while those who advocate the destruction of democracy and freedoms are protected. If the CHRC agrees to open an investigation, the writings of the imam will be exposed and scrutinized and, hopefully, discredited by the media. In the future, the media and the public will feel free to denounce subversive and hateful preachers without having to resort to the CHRC.


Marc Lebuis,
Director, Point de BASCULE
www.pointdebasculecanada.ca

English translation here

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Today's update in English: Why I filed a complaint with the Canadian Human Rights Commission against a Montreal Salafi imam for "hate propaganda"

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Welcome Instapundit readers! 

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Elane said:

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Good. I hope this Imam's black dogs come back to bite him on his islamic butt.
 
Apr 14, 2008 16:14:23
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Rose said:

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Bravo, I suspect that many Imams preach hatred towards us Infidels and the Jews in Canadian Mosques but no one has bothered to reign in their teachings of hatred vis a vis the Internet why is that? Are Radical and Polticial Islamists untouchable in Canada? I know Europe refuses to do anything about Imams telling Muslism to hate us, kill us and rape us but is Canadas' HRCs willing to allow that kind of hate to be communicated on the Internet?

Bravo again, someone needs to address real hatred, not manufactured hatred from the left.
 
Apr 14, 2008 16:24:33
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Darcey said:

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This same Imam is facing complaints from Montreal terrorist suspect Adil Charkaoui for libel..
 
Apr 14, 2008 16:40:56
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raise the drawbridge said:

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sic'em marc...

it will be interesting to see how the CHRC responds to being lableled islamophobic by some pious nutcase imam in quebec.

two pompous, righteous, know alls going at it.

the CHRC will turtle...the imam has 1400 years of psychological bullying in his corner.

the imam in a tko...in the 3rd round.





 
Apr 14, 2008 16:57:54
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WL Mackenzie Redux said:

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The worm has definately turned on these clowns.

Ultimately this is really no victory because all this SLAPP litigating and politically motivated HRC complaints on speech will make ALL Canadians too afraid to openly discuss contentious issues.

Normally if we had free speech this opinionated Imam would be taken apart by open debate and his sillier ideas would be discredited in the court of public opinion.

As it is now this crap system only fattens the bottom feeders who work in the identity group politics NGO industry and the SLAPP/HR litigating industry.

What should be public debate is confined to the discretion of the legal and NGO rackets

"MASTER LOOKS AFTER US NOW WE DONT NEEDS YOU ANY MORE! MASTER WILL GUARD OUR PRECIOUS"



 
Apr 14, 2008 17:22:54
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raise the drawbridge said:

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thanks darcey,
i thought that mish mash of vowels and consonants looked familiar.

talk about an identity crisis...

do you think this imam sees himself as a french candadian...or a haitian canadian...or maybe a muslim canadian?

i get it...he must consider himself a french, haitian, islamic canadian.

multi culturalism at its finest...although i doubt he would even consider himself simply as a canadian canadian.

if i had that much happening...i would be afraid of my head exploding.
 
Apr 14, 2008 17:27:58
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Jay Currie said:

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In principle I don't like the use of Human Rights Commissions to censor speech - but if there was ever a good case for an exception to that principle the imam offers it.
 
Apr 14, 2008 18:47:22 | url
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OMMAG said:

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I agree completely with the strategy of putting the HRCs on the spot in this manner.
Good Move Marc!
 
Apr 14, 2008 18:57:06 | url
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winston said:

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kathy from austin said:

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Way to go! Many will be watching closely to see how this turns out.

Brave man!
 
Apr 14, 2008 19:16:37
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Steven Den Beste said:

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...Or it might lead to the first acquittal in HRC history!
 
Apr 14, 2008 19:24:40 | url
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Robbins Mitchell said:

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If the imam and his posse run true to form,look for them to start whining that they are the 'victims' of 'Islamophobia' and 'profiing' as a result of this complaint being filed....then look for them to start lying from hell to breakfast denying that anything he says is hateful....and to claim that his 'religious duty' requires him to say these things....smoke him out for the weasel that he is,Marc
 
Apr 14, 2008 19:31:49
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ivanba said:

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High time to fight these jokers back with their own tools... Brilliant move !!!
 
Apr 14, 2008 19:35:07
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Robert McClelland said:

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If the CHRC refuse to investigate my complaint, the public will be free to conclude that an institution meant to promote human rights is practicing a form of one-way absurd censorship.

And if they agree to investigate your complaint what will the public be free to conclude? I'm sure it's something bad for the HRC too, but I'm dying to know where the crazy train is veering off to now.
 
Apr 14, 2008 19:41:45 | url
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Vinny Vidivici said:

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I see Den Beste hasn't lost his touch.

Trick here is to turn this abusive institution back on itself without validating its 'authority' to continue interfering with what can, and cannot, be said.

Good luck Marc.
 
Apr 14, 2008 19:46:26
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Gordon said:

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I hope you didn't use two-sided fax paper.
 
Apr 14, 2008 19:50:39 | url
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RobertJago said:

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Good luck with your complaint. But don't be surprised if it gets turned down. I sent in a complaint to the BCHRT and Canadian HRC about a Vancouver-based site called Jihad Unspun that was advocating killing atheists ('Kuffar'). The BCHRT turned me down cold and the Federal HRC never responded and didn't return calls or emails.

They're only really keen on prosecuting people who won't respond by cutting off their heads.
 
Apr 14, 2008 20:30:55 | url
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Haley said:

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I hope you didn't fax it in "double-sided". smilies/grin.gif

On a more serious note, there are many Americans following the plight of our brothers and sisters to the North and rooting for the destruction of the CHRC. Maybe enough people here will see what has happened in the name of "multi-culturalism" and stop the same from happening here.
 
Apr 14, 2008 20:35:06
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Garduneh Mehr said:

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Good on Mr. Lebuis
Well done
 
Apr 14, 2008 20:50:59
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Earl said:

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Well done, Lebuis! A bold move. Shove the Wahhabist/salafist back on his heels.

Keep Steyn, MP Martin and Levant advised of all progress. Pls. post pdfs of all docs filed.
 
Apr 14, 2008 20:58:43
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Blazingcatfur said:

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"I'm dying to know where the crazy train is veering off to now."

And as we all know McLelland knows crazy.
 
Apr 14, 2008 21:03:07 | url
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Kenneth said:

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You shouldn't have publicized this until after they respond. You're giving them an easy avenue to accuse you of trivializing the process or using the CHRC as an instrument of revenge for the Mark Steyn fiasco. The CHRC needs to be forced to answer the specific complaint.


 
Apr 14, 2008 21:30:21
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Detroit DeTox said:

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This is going to be good. I have been wondering about the principled stand of the thinking right not to validate the human rights commissions by filing complaints. On the one hand, yes, sure, you have to stop and think before you use the Stasi to find a missing child - why make them heroes? But what about the missing child? And so on and so on. But on the other hand, a weapon is a weapon and this is a war. Mark Steyn marked a line in the sand this morning: "I wouldn't mind a chap suing over being called a Nazi were it not for the fact that Kinsella bandies Nazi accusations around so carelessly at anyone who disagrees with him - me, Ezra, Kate, Jay Currie, we're all Nazis. But, fortunately for him, we're non-litigious ones. So far." On this one, think Herouxville, not Yorkville for how nasty it might get.
 
Apr 14, 2008 21:34:07
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WL Mackenzie Redux said:

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Haley said:
I hope you didn't fax it in "double-sided".
smilies/grin.gif

Ha ha good dig...or it may also be rejected if the complainant has ever had his blog or a blog he has visited identified as a "hate blog"(TM) by the CHRC's free lance self proclaimed moral authority on hate and witch hunting. smilies/cheesy.gif
 
Apr 14, 2008 21:49:04
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Cris said:

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Bravo.
Watch your back.
 
Apr 14, 2008 21:49:27
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Detroit DeTox said:

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Plus, I should add that I just had a beer with a very experienced lawyer here in Ottawa who just laughed when I suggested that the CHRC might actually accept the Lebuis complaint. What? Was I born yesterday? What part of the function of human rights commissions had I failed to understand?
 
Apr 14, 2008 21:51:11
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Brian Macker said:

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Mistake!!! Before they could be criticized for having a 100% conviction rate and so were basically a kangaroo court. Now however that is going to drop to 99% because they will never convict a Muslim. With each additional Imam they fail to convict their statistics get better. smilies/wink.gif
 
Apr 14, 2008 22:12:29
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Letalis Maximus, Esq. said:

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Good. Sauce for the goose, and all....
 
Apr 14, 2008 22:13:58
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Darcey said:

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Maybe - this from Tarek Fatah the other day:

Tarek Fatah, founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress, however, said that for the Commission "to refer to Maclean's magazine and journalists as contributing to racism is bullshit, if you can use that word."

He said the Commission has unfairly taken sides against freedom of speech in a dispute within the Canadian Muslim community between moderates and fundamentalists.

"There are within the staff [of the Ontario Human Rights Commission], and among the commissioners, hardline Islamic supporters of Islamic extremism, and this [handling of the Maclean's case] reflects their presence over there," Mr. Fatah said, identifying two people by name.

"In the eyes of the Ontario human rights commission, the only good Muslim is an Islamist Muslim," he said. "As long as we hate Canada, we will be cared for. As soon as we say Canada is our home and we have to defend her traditions, freedoms and secular democracy, we will be considered as the outside."


I'd like to know what he thinks of the whole shebang

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=433915
 
Apr 14, 2008 22:15:37
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WL Mackenzie Redux said:

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Good point Darcy, the MCC is emerging as a voice of moderate islam and well adjusted Canadians who are trying desparately to lose their "hyphen" and all the Bolshi stigma that goes with it.

I'd like to see them used as a first comment source by the media.
 
Apr 14, 2008 22:24:47
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Andrew S. said:

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Hope this goes well! ("Going well", in my book, would mean: Not penalties agains the imam, but rather, weakening/doing away with these kangaroo councils.)

But I think you're taking a risk. I mean, I could easily see someone saying that your suit is itself defamatory against Islam (i.e. you, by saying the imam is violating human rights, are implicitly saying that Islam is opposed to human rights, and thus you are defaming Islam)--and as a result, I could see someone charging you before the human rights council, with the evidence against you being your own suit before the council.

I hope I'm being paranoid, but, really, what would stop that from happening?
 
Apr 14, 2008 22:29:54 | url
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Darcey said:

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heh heh - this is Canada - who the hell knows anymore smilies/wink.gif
 
Apr 14, 2008 22:47:50
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Detroit DeTox said:

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Andrew S., I like the way you think. If I understand the case correctly, a court decided a chap could not be an enemy of human rights if he was an employee of, and his activities were sanctioned by the federal government. "I hope I'm being paranoid, but, really, what would stop that from happening?" Indeed.
 
Apr 14, 2008 23:09:46
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CR said:

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Well done. Fantastic! Defend your province and your liberty.
Islam is not compatible with Western civilisation.
Hopefully many people will support you with moral and financial support.
Good luck!
 
Apr 14, 2008 23:18:08 | url
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Arty said:

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The "crazy train" derailed between your ears Mclelland. Spilled it's entire load of manure too.


 
Apr 15, 2008 00:14:54
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Karridine said:

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Courageous move, and well thought out! I applaud your Baha'i-like reasoning and brave courtesy. smilies/cool.gif

There is NO hatred in the Faith of God.

The Oneness of Humankind, the Equality of Men & Women, the personal responsibility for the Independent Investigation of Truth... THESE are the hallmarks of faith today!
 
Apr 15, 2008 01:52:18 | url
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Ted said:

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Karradine of LGF fame, is that you?
 
Apr 15, 2008 02:03:59
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Patrick Carroll said:

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Good luck to you!
 
Apr 15, 2008 04:11:30
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Tantor said:

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Your complaint puts the Canadian Human Rights Commission on the horns of a dilemma, doesn't it? It's pretty easy to document hate speech from Muslims to make a slam dunk case under it's rules, so that turns the tactics of the soft jihad of the Islamists against them in Canada. I suspect there is a vast deposit of Muslim hate you can mine for future complaints. So, using the CHRC as a hammer against Islamists is a neat trick.

Almost certainly, the CHRC will deny this complaint for dubious reasons which lend themselves to criticism of their abuse of their mandate to promote their contemptible politica agenda. You can spend months beating up on them for their hypocrisy. Then, when you're done, you can file another complaint against another hateful imam (there's plenty, after all), and do it all over again. With enough repetition, you can crush them.
 
Apr 15, 2008 12:20:33 | url
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Fuck Free Speech said:

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I'm glad you've all come to your senses and are using the tools at hand to root out and fight objectionable content; Mark Steyn? You LOST!

 
Apr 15, 2008 13:31:37
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Richard of Oregon said:

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Yes! Turn the knife of censorship back on to the censors. The knife doesn't care whose blood it draws. Censorship is a dangerous weapon that needs, at best, to be used very sparingly.
 
Apr 15, 2008 15:17:18
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Lorraine said:

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Good for you!!!
We Canadians will be watching the actions of the HRC with great interest!!!
 
Apr 15, 2008 17:52:03
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J said:

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If he's so against all that stuff why's he in Canada in the first place?
 
Apr 15, 2008 19:15:51
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Darcey said:

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Apparently he is a convert but this isn't the first time we've seen remarks like this in Canada. Even stranger:

Montreal terrorism suspect Adil Charkaoui is considering legal action against a local imam after damaging remarks about him were posted on the Internet, portraying him as a restless radical fixated on waging jihad.

Posted last fall on a Muslim online forum, the comments allege that Mr. Charkaoui and his friends were looking for ways to make al-udda, meaning preparations for holy war.

"The people in that little group ... were constantly repeating that they had to leave for Afghanistan to perform al-udda and for them, nothing in Islam was more important than jihad."

The author said he was a Montreal imam who heard the Moroccan-born Mr. Charkaoui tell him that they lived in a country of kuffars (non-believers) and, therefore, "it was acceptable to take the belongings and the women of the kuffars since it was fay (war booty)."

The author said he was Abou Hammaad Sulaiman Dameus al-Hayiti, a Haitian-born convert who is the imam at the Dar Al-Arqam mosque in north-end Montreal.

He said that Mr. Charkaoui told him that he was initially a follower of the Islamist organization Al Adl wal Ihsane, which advocates higher learning to promote reform, but that he "realized this wasn't the right method."

Mr. al-Hayiti couldn't be contacted yesterday. However, the imam is quoted in Journal de Montral as confirming that he wrote those comments and stood by them. "It's the truth ... There are many people [in the community] who know more than I do and aren't saying it."


Mr. al-Hayiti uses the same terminology in his book in reference to us.. I don't really understand what he is up to.
 
Apr 15, 2008 19:39:23
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