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... thanks darcey, i thought that mish mash of vowels and consonants looked familiar. talk about an identity crisis... do you think this imam sees himself as a french candadian...or a haitian canadian...or maybe a muslim canadian? i get it...he must consider himself a french, haitian, islamic canadian. multi culturalism at its finest...although i doubt he would even consider himself simply as a canadian canadian. if i had that much happening...i would be afraid of my head exploding. |
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... In principle I don't like the use of Human Rights Commissions to censor speech - but if there was ever a good case for an exception to that principle the imam offers it. |
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... I agree completely with the strategy of putting the HRCs on the spot in this manner. Good Move Marc! |
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... Way to go! Many will be watching closely to see how this turns out. Brave man! |
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... If the imam and his posse run true to form,look for them to start whining that they are the 'victims' of 'Islamophobia' and 'profiing' as a result of this complaint being filed....then look for them to start lying from hell to breakfast denying that anything he says is hateful....and to claim that his 'religious duty' requires him to say these things....smoke him out for the weasel that he is,Marc |
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... If the CHRC refuse to investigate my complaint, the public will be free to conclude that an institution meant to promote human rights is practicing a form of one-way absurd censorship. And if they agree to investigate your complaint what will the public be free to conclude? I'm sure it's something bad for the HRC too, but I'm dying to know where the crazy train is veering off to now. |
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... I see Den Beste hasn't lost his touch. Trick here is to turn this abusive institution back on itself without validating its 'authority' to continue interfering with what can, and cannot, be said. Good luck Marc. |
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... Good luck with your complaint. But don't be surprised if it gets turned down. I sent in a complaint to the BCHRT and Canadian HRC about a Vancouver-based site called Jihad Unspun that was advocating killing atheists ('Kuffar'). The BCHRT turned me down cold and the Federal HRC never responded and didn't return calls or emails. They're only really keen on prosecuting people who won't respond by cutting off their heads. |
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... I hope you didn't fax it in "double-sided". On a more serious note, there are many Americans following the plight of our brothers and sisters to the North and rooting for the destruction of the CHRC. Maybe enough people here will see what has happened in the name of "multi-culturalism" and stop the same from happening here. |
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... Well done, Lebuis! A bold move. Shove the Wahhabist/salafist back on his heels. Keep Steyn, MP Martin and Levant advised of all progress. Pls. post pdfs of all docs filed. |
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... "I'm dying to know where the crazy train is veering off to now." And as we all know McLelland knows crazy. |
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... You shouldn't have publicized this until after they respond. You're giving them an easy avenue to accuse you of trivializing the process or using the CHRC as an instrument of revenge for the Mark Steyn fiasco. The CHRC needs to be forced to answer the specific complaint. |
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... This is going to be good. I have been wondering about the principled stand of the thinking right not to validate the human rights commissions by filing complaints. On the one hand, yes, sure, you have to stop and think before you use the Stasi to find a missing child - why make them heroes? But what about the missing child? And so on and so on. But on the other hand, a weapon is a weapon and this is a war. Mark Steyn marked a line in the sand this morning: "I wouldn't mind a chap suing over being called a Nazi were it not for the fact that Kinsella bandies Nazi accusations around so carelessly at anyone who disagrees with him - me, Ezra, Kate, Jay Currie, we're all Nazis. But, fortunately for him, we're non-litigious ones. So far." On this one, think Herouxville, not Yorkville for how nasty it might get. |
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... Haley said: I hope you didn't fax it in "double-sided". Ha ha good dig...or it may also be rejected if the complainant has ever had his blog or a blog he has visited identified as a "hate blog"(TM) by the CHRC's free lance self proclaimed moral authority on hate and witch hunting. |
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... Plus, I should add that I just had a beer with a very experienced lawyer here in Ottawa who just laughed when I suggested that the CHRC might actually accept the Lebuis complaint. What? Was I born yesterday? What part of the function of human rights commissions had I failed to understand? |
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... Mistake!!! Before they could be criticized for having a 100% conviction rate and so were basically a kangaroo court. Now however that is going to drop to 99% because they will never convict a Muslim. With each additional Imam they fail to convict their statistics get better. |
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... Good point Darcy, the MCC is emerging as a voice of moderate islam and well adjusted Canadians who are trying desparately to lose their "hyphen" and all the Bolshi stigma that goes with it. I'd like to see them used as a first comment source by the media. |
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... Hope this goes well! ("Going well", in my book, would mean: Not penalties agains the imam, but rather, weakening/doing away with these kangaroo councils.) But I think you're taking a risk. I mean, I could easily see someone saying that your suit is itself defamatory against Islam (i.e. you, by saying the imam is violating human rights, are implicitly saying that Islam is opposed to human rights, and thus you are defaming Islam)--and as a result, I could see someone charging you before the human rights council, with the evidence against you being your own suit before the council. I hope I'm being paranoid, but, really, what would stop that from happening? |
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... Andrew S., I like the way you think. If I understand the case correctly, a court decided a chap could not be an enemy of human rights if he was an employee of, and his activities were sanctioned by the federal government. "I hope I'm being paranoid, but, really, what would stop that from happening?" Indeed. |
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... Well done. Fantastic! Defend your province and your liberty. Islam is not compatible with Western civilisation. Hopefully many people will support you with moral and financial support. Good luck! |
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... The "crazy train" derailed between your ears Mclelland. Spilled it's entire load of manure too. |
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... Courageous move, and well thought out! I applaud your Baha'i-like reasoning and brave courtesy. There is NO hatred in the Faith of God. The Oneness of Humankind, the Equality of Men & Women, the personal responsibility for the Independent Investigation of Truth... THESE are the hallmarks of faith today! |
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... Your complaint puts the Canadian Human Rights Commission on the horns of a dilemma, doesn't it? It's pretty easy to document hate speech from Muslims to make a slam dunk case under it's rules, so that turns the tactics of the soft jihad of the Islamists against them in Canada. I suspect there is a vast deposit of Muslim hate you can mine for future complaints. So, using the CHRC as a hammer against Islamists is a neat trick. Almost certainly, the CHRC will deny this complaint for dubious reasons which lend themselves to criticism of their abuse of their mandate to promote their contemptible politica agenda. You can spend months beating up on them for their hypocrisy. Then, when you're done, you can file another complaint against another hateful imam (there's plenty, after all), and do it all over again. With enough repetition, you can crush them. |
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... I'm glad you've all come to your senses and are using the tools at hand to root out and fight objectionable content; Mark Steyn? You LOST! |
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... Yes! Turn the knife of censorship back on to the censors. The knife doesn't care whose blood it draws. Censorship is a dangerous weapon that needs, at best, to be used very sparingly. |
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... Good for you!!! We Canadians will be watching the actions of the HRC with great interest!!! |